i met people that want to carry that torch of edward r. murrow. critics would say you have to live in the real world here a little bit in the sense that if you go too highfalutin with your news coverage, if you try to do it in the purest sense, what your character does in this show, he does it great. especially if it's not big breaking news. for a hard unpalatable fact that it's true. >> i know that's true. >> it's hard. how do you tackle that? now you've had your toes dipped in our waters for a while. if you were running a news network, what would you say? >> let me back up and say, i don't have to live in the real world, i'm a fiction writer. i get to write a democratic administration that can get things done. and i get to write about a very idealistic newsroom where these guys reach unrealistically high so they fall down a lot, but we're still rooting for them anyway. but there's no question that the antagonist in this show is -- doesn't come so much in the form of a person, although that's the role jane fonda plays and that's the role that chr